faking it...

[emmelinemay]

Did anyone else see faking it the other night? With the choir girl who was meant to be passed off as a rock chick?

I have never wanted anyone to fail quite so badly.

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[smogo.livejournal.com]

Yeah, she was rubbish and, worse, a stuck-up bitch who could really do with a good shagging to sort her out. Although to be fair, Harry was a shite mentor. Moaning about that Laura-Jane not writing a 'rock' enough song, when her own biggest hit was a cover of a Belouis Some track. Harry's just as unconvincing a faker as Laura-Jane was.

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[maitresse-d.livejournal.com]

Emmie should have been the mentor!

[sound-wave23.livejournal.com]

......Icon seems familiar........

[painispretty.livejournal.com]

"If people feel the need to go out and get blind drunk it's a cry for help."

ARGH. I didn't want her to FAIL, I wanted her to DIE.

[lusercop.livejournal.com]

I didn't see it, but is that a tinge of jealousy I detect. ;-)

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[emmelinemay.livejournal.com]

not even slightly. This girl was the most stuck up, naive, arrogant little madam you could ever hope to avoid; who refused to listen to any of the 'mentors', insisted she could write and perform a rock track by herself with no help, despite the fact she hated all rock music for 'not having a tune'. She liked S Club for gods sake. at the age of 20. My sister considers herself far too old for S Club at 15.

She compared having her hair cut to losing her virginity...

Mainly I just could not understand why she'd chosen to take part in the programme in the first place, if she wasn't going to even try. I wouldn't take part in a 'can a metal chick fake it as a posh cambridge choir girl' faking it - i probably could do it easy (being kind of posh anyway) but i know i would be expected to take out the peircings, wear clothes i hate, compromise on who i view myself to be in order to fake being soemthing else. That's the point of the show. And i wouldn't want to do that, so i wouldn't take part, it's that simple. I really cannot fathom what on earth this girl thought she was getting into, or what she thought she was going to prove.

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[lusercop.livejournal.com]

I'm sorry, the jealousy thing was meant to be a joke, hence the smiley. I didn't really think it.

To be fair, many of the people who I'm friendly now from Cambridge were actually goths, or rocksoc people. I did meet some of the kind of people you describe above, and thankfully they were very much in a minority. Even the music students I knew probably wouldn't have acted how you describe, though they did tend to be a bit more set in their ways.

I suspect that there is an element of arrogance with most of the people who went to Oxbridge, but in my case it normally works: I've got where I am in poi (since starting in May) by watching others and saying to myself: "I can do that. I'll need to put in the practice, but I can be as good as them." Similarly with devilstick. I guess that's a positive side to that arrogance/confidence.

I suspect the reason why she thought she could take part was because she thought that the metal was devoid of tunes and hence thought it would be trivial to do as well as everyone else. She learnt the hard way. In a way, the programme is probably a good thing overall, because it illustrates that this kind of thing isn't as trivial as it may look. Other people's failure allows you to see where your own assumptions/failings are too.

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[emmelinemay.livejournal.com]

she thought that the metal was devoid of tunes and hence thought it would be trivial to do

absolutely. it was painful to watch pretty much all the way through. And as J points out below, i'd doubtful as to how much she actually 'learnt' in the end - she was probably quite happy blaming her failure on everyone else.

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[lusercop.livejournal.com]

she was probably quite happy blaming her failure on everyone else.

Probably true. The thing with this sort of programme, IMHO, of course, is that the people at the centre of it are only interesting for the duration of the programme. What is much more interesting is how the audience's reaction is changed by watching that kind of thing. Grand Designs is fairly similar in that respect (the buildings are often much more discussable than the people, and you'll probably have forgotten what the people look like straight after the programme) because it shows how things can be done well and how they can be done badly. In some ways they serve as ways of giving advice to the general population in a subtle-ish way.

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[emmelinemay.livejournal.com]

hmm. very true! like the 'living with the enemy' when the black metal fan's mum went on tour with cradle of filth.

That educated the world that paranoid mums are mad and metallers are normal people who will not eat your babies.

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[interlock-music.livejournal.com]

To be honest I doubt it... the girl involved was extremely pompous and believed that she could just 'pretend' in a actress kind of way (pity she couldn't act) because everyone in the metal scene is acting. No one really likes this music and if they say they do, they're lying...

It really was taken to extremes with her attitude. I suppose that's what the point of it was though.
Harry actually wasn't that much better... she was a lot more likeable, but I was cringing when she started headbanging and jumping on chairs to sabbath and manson, in her living room. sigh... She seemed to place waaaay to much emphasis on "well, she needs to get drunk and lose her cherry and then she'll know what rock means". Eh?

I wanted her to fail - not because she was quite unlikeable, bigoted, insulting to something she didn't understand, petulant, arrogant, patronising, had horrible sense of music taste (s club and liberty x!) and no taste in clothes or makeup (awful, awful middle aged lip stick)... BUT, because she didn't deserve to fool the judges. She came into the show thinking she could walk in, say "I'm hard and listen to rock" and go back to Cambridge.

At no point did she aknowledge the society or the music. She probably still feels that she should have won.

/rant

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[emmelinemay.livejournal.com]

agreed with all the above!

She said something along the lines of 'people only like this sort of thing to make themselves look cool'. Yeah. Because everyone i know who was into that stuff was considered really cool when younger, and were in no way ostracised and bullied for being weirdos... (issues? me? HAH)

and what she said to Lemmy at the Terrorizer awards? i almost died.

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[hirez.livejournal.com]

Well, indeed.

Compare and contrast with equally posh (ie middle-class and knew it) cellist who went off to be a hard house DJ under the expert tutalage of Anne Savage. She went in there with the attitude that this 'modern music' was all rubbish, but after a 4am podium dancing epiphany, went on to absolutely storm it.

That may or may not have much to say about the scenes and personalities involved.

[elves-uk.livejournal.com]

if the video worked properly I have this to look forward to at the weekend!!

[aliasrob.livejournal.com]

I actually used to hang around with Harry when she was about 17.

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[emmelinemay.livejournal.com]

i wondered if anyone about knew her. Spotted the briefest of glimpses of familiar faces in the background in some clips too, which was RAR.

[caveynik.livejournal.com]

I missed it. Did she, err.."fake it" enough? Did she "fool" the appropriate people?

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[emmelinemay.livejournal.com]

oh god no. if she'd listened to the 'mentors' and actually made any sort of effort, rather than assuming it was all rather beneath her and would be easy, she might have done, who knows.

Put simply, she just didn't get it, if you know what i mean.

[a1exxandra.livejournal.com]

did you tape it?? I missed it and I NEED to see it (if only to find out what she said to Lemmy....)
See ya later chicken x

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[emmelinemay.livejournal.com]

she asked him if he was in a band...

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[aliasrob.livejournal.com]

That was absolutely priceless.

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[a1exxandra.livejournal.com]

>_<

[aliasrob.livejournal.com]

Actually, I wonder if "Itchy Tits" are going to be doing any more gigs? They rocked.

"Jenny goes on the game! Jenny goes on the game!"

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[emmelinemay.livejournal.com]

i was wondering how much that blonde woman charges for her singing lessons. she RULED.

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[amandamaesteele.livejournal.com]

She did indeed. I want to get taught by her!!
And the girl- well if she made Harry seem likeable to me she MUST have been a tit.
Spoilt bitch

[angel-emma.livejournal.com]

I hope it's repeated on E4 at some point as I forgot it was on. I have heard everyone moaning about it so I want to see how bad she really was!

[emmelinemay.livejournal.com]

the E4 repeat was last night - that's the one we watched.

[angel-emma.livejournal.com]

typical :/ I'll just have to wait for the re-run!

The Blonde Troll must die.

[load-of-flannel.livejournal.com]

I thought she was shit but then given the mentors she had I may have reacted similarly. She should have been left with the singing tutor whom at least she appeared to be polite to.

The two presenters were as badly out of place as the girl. They were unconvincing themselves.

First thing they do was take her to a metal concert.
Metal is not Rock.
Secondly Harry?(the blonde) tries to educate her music taste by playing what shed been told was popular, none of it likely to appeal to the girl. She could have made an effort to find something that had some classical basis so she couldn't decry it. They could have pointed out some christian rock bands but they didnt. Then the stupid blonde tart who should be shot told her that there was no "sheet music" in rock, again unutterable crap. The bint had no idea what she was talking about.

they then took her to get drunk which she wasnt going to do...that was obvious.... at which point both of the alleged rock chicks behaved like pissant 12 year olds before theyd drunk anything, it was a shit bar and I was embarrassed watching the arseholes cavort so it doesnt suprise me the girl had no respect for her at all.

The hair thing was just as stupid. They didnt even consider options such as a wig or fake dreads because they were to anally caught up in their pseudo world to bother. No effort at all to come half way and meet the girl so they could hardly blame her for the same.

I hope both those arsehole no talent trolls lose whatever jobs they slept their way into and end up penniless and broke. They were a bloody obvious reason as to why the current music industry should be destroyed. Stupid lying cows.

She was however herself (the girl)an arsehole...

Felt dead sorry for the band cos they tried really hard for her both to play along and to get her involved.

Weird though utterly mis-selected contender and also poorly chosen mentors.


Oh whoever said it, pompousness is not a trait of folk whove gone to Oxbridge at all. Its the trait of some individuals. The majority aint pompous atall.

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[lusercop.livejournal.com]

Oh whoever said it, pompousness is not a trait of folk whove gone to Oxbridge at all. Its the trait of some individuals. The majority aint pompous atall.

I said something up ^ there that agrees with this already.

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[interlock-music.livejournal.com]

just thought I'd say something: Metal is not Rock?

true, but only as far as people within the scene are consearned. But, there is a very blurred line and to try and deal with that within the 45 minute program would have been a waste of time.

it wasn't a 'rock concert' as such. it was the Metal Hammer awards... or as the dumb girl says "music hammer". Sure, they show raging speedhorn (a metal band), but more than one band played on the night.

I think as far as the public know, metal is rock. and that is probably an ok thing. If it de-gheto-ises metal, all the better.

Anyway, where the hell do you draw your line? who is rock and metal?

interestingly, Harry is not very metal (in my opinion) or 'that' rock... she and her band are not really worth taking much note of, and for all I know, they really were faking it themselves. But then, isn't that what their 'job' is? to be 'rock stars'?
as for what was played, I have a feeling it was what harry would call 'classic rock' ie Black Sabbath and M Manson. I don't think that there was any lack of substance to her choosing that stuff - I seriously doubt that she has heard any Opeth, Emporer or any of the more orchestral type bands so she could show her.

I think the band is Harry's band.

I think the choice of contender was actually very good. Not in terms of the result (her not winning) but simply for getting someone so devoid of any 'rock' sensability. She proved that she could not 'fake it' and therefore did her job. It's a shame she didn't really put any effort into it, but hey...

yes, the mentors (bar vocal tutor) were rubbish, but I'm not sure who else would want to do it.

Re: The Blonde Troll must die.

[machinochrist.livejournal.com]

damn right. i would have played her some emperor. something that with a classical background she could have picked up on and realised that metal does involved "a tune" and also a fuckload of skill.
if she likes classical then play her something to bridge the gap between that and metal. dont just play marilyn manson and demand she get drunk.

yeah she was a dizzy little bitch but i dont like harry either. they should have got hal or even duncan ;) to break her in

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[emmelinemay.livejournal.com]

or ME!

[lex3000.livejournal.com]

As the server was down all day at work, I'm joining this rather late in the day (although I've posted extensively about it elsewhere). Grrrrr.

Yes, made a special point of watching it. Cambridge girl was an annoying kid. Hopefully she might look back and feel she should have listened and made an effort. That said, Harry ranks even higher on my you-must-die list. Also, Siobhan Fahey? Who the fuck? I think I should go to more cheap/new bands nights though. The Guardian review (http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv_and_radio/story/0,3604,1145254,00.html) was good as ever.

[cyberpunkgrrl.livejournal.com]

I laughed my ass off - though I loved the big blonde biker-chick singing teacher!

:)

[load-of-flannel.livejournal.com]

Strange really for what was an awful contestant and let us say (agreeing to differ with some) the mentor was mediocre really. It should have been a terrible piece of TV, however it waqs extremely compelling viewing....

so maybe twas the right choice of participants as far as the producers go....

[prettyinpunk81.livejournal.com]

Hey chickie....

I know you make hair pieces and stuff, but do you actually do extensions? I'd only be after a small few loose ones at the front of my hair.... am also looking for someone who would be able to give me a good undercut (well, more of a 'shaved sides so I can have a rows of spikes all the way down the middle' kind of affair).

Can you help?

I'm happy to pay you for your time and materials :)

[altered-state.livejournal.com]

Mornin'

I've finally gotten round to friending you - see you next Tuesday

Pants

[elfee.livejournal.com]

Well glad to say that our video worked thanks to elves_uk setting the timer and I agree she did not deserve to succeed....brilliant voice but just not a rock chick, more the hills are alive. why apply to appear in it if you are not willing to give it a fair crack.. personally i think virgin + rock chick just do not go together... still twas nice to see our friend Nikki from Never The Bride, still sounding as gravelly as ever. When's the next Interlock gig?

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[emmelinemay.livejournal.com]

Interlock play manchester 7th March, and westonefour(south kensington) on April 9th. details coming to an LJ near you soon!

why apply to appear in it if you are not willing to give it a fair crack

my sentiments exactly.